New Witness Uncovered; Metallurgist Tasked To Analyze Roswell ‘Flying Disc’ Debris

      In all my years of doing UFO research and particularly the 1947 Roswell Incident, I’ve realized the importance of verifying and/or confirming the vast amount of information that is available pertaining to that Incident. Anything else presented is worthless, such as the crash test dummies, not used until 1953, the Mogul balloon theory, the alien autopsy film, and the numerous crash sites referenced, to mention a few.

Maj. Jesse Marcel, Sr. and Col. Jesse Marcel, Jr.

The late Major Jesse Marcel and his recently passed away son Jesse Jr. both handled the debris from the crash in Roswell, when the Major stopped by the house to show it to Jesse Jr. and his Mother before flying some of the debris to General Ramey’s office in Fort Worth Texas. Over the years both men freely talked about the material they had seen and handled with descriptions of what it looked like.

To my surprise, 66 years later I was given information that for me confirms, or at least adds credibility to what the Marcel’s talked about.

I met a young lady recently who told me her Dad had an uncle that handled and examined material he believed was from the 1947 Roswell crash, when he was asked to go to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton Ohio to examine the metal samples. The daughter put me in contact with her Dad and the following paragraphs are what he shared with me, about what he recalled his uncle talking about.
After reading the account of his uncle that he shared with me, to say I found his story interesting would be an understatement on my part.

Some that read this will say it’s an old and a second-hand account, however, based on the information that has been accumulated from the Marcel’s over the years, and the descriptions they gave about the metal they actually handled, I believe this account helps confirm and validate what the Marcel’s’ stated. I personally have no reason to believe that the daughter’s father made up this account of what he heard his uncle tell his father and him at his birthday party. Jesse Marcel Jr. after all was only eleven years old when his Dad stopped at the house to show him and his mother the material he had gathered at the debris field on the Foster ranch earlier that day.

As to the descriptions of the material the uncle talked about, those descriptions match very closely with what Major Marcel told his son about not being able to cut or burn the debris, and particularly the odd attribute of crumpling it up and in a short period of time it returned to it’s original shape.

~~BOOK SALE~~

Strange Septembers: The Hill Abduction & The Exeter Encounter

"Live Free or Die" is the official state motto of New Hampshire, but the phrase also could have served as the mantra for the 1960s, an era well-documented as one of monumental cultural shifts and indelible social change. Two less-celebrated events, which occurred in New Hampshire in the early and middle parts of the decade, were both earth-shaking in their own right. They did not entail demonstrations. Or happenings. Or rock concerts. They involved UFOs. Extraterrestrials. And human beings. The down-to-earth details behind these two otherworldly events are explored in the new documentary film, Strange Septembers: The Hill Abduction & The Exeter Encounter.

Based on interviews with the likes of legendary actor, James Earl Jones (who played Barney Hill in the 1975 film, The UFO Incident), groundbreaking ufologist, Stanton Friedman (civilian researcher who helped define the Roswell Incident), author/lecturer Kathleen Marden (niece of Betty and Barney Hill), and Thomas Muscarello (brother of Norman Muscarello), the film attempts to decipher the mysteries surrounding the twin peaks of New Hampshire UFO cases: the September 19, 1961 abduction of Betty and Barney Hill, and the September 3, 1965 close encounter of Norman Muscarello, Eugene Bertrand, and David Hunt.

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THE TRUTH
In the past few months rumors have swirled that members of the Roswell investigation team (this author included) had become aware of two photographic slides depicting an alien humanoid creature.

- This is true, and it is equally true that they may represent the first genuine physical evidence in support of the reality of a crash of a extraterrestrial beings near Roswell, NM over six decades ago.

-The stunning, historic photographs have been confirmed to have been  imaged on two Kodachrome slides dating from the year 1947, the year of the UFO crash.  
-There is no indication of retouching, digital enhancement or other photographic hoax technique.
-They are clear, in color, up close, and taken from two separate angles.
-These slides were found hidden in an attic in a chest having belonged to a deceased couple.
-This author made the incredible discovery that the husband was a very prominent petroleum geologist who conducted oil exploration expeditions in the 1940s in West TX and in New Mexico. This area also encompassed the Permian Basin, a region that includes Roswell, NM.
-Rather than depicting the popular culture image of aliens in the 1940s, they show the image of a small humanoid  alien, like those aliens described by witnesses to Roswell.
-Other photos found in the chest (separate from the two humanoid slides) depict General Eisenhower in 1947 and with the couple at meetings and parties with what appear to be very well-placed people.
-There is much more of this tale to tell

WHAT IS NOT TRUE
-No crash debris or the craft itself are shown, this is pure fiction.-No member of the team owns, manages or controls the evidence in any way, and therefore has not made any media inquiries as rumored and makes no decisions on what is done or not done with such evidence.
-We do not in any way represent or speak for the owner of the evidence. We were only assisting him.

LEAKS AND WHAT WENT WRONG
There was most certainly a leak in the investigation. Some people became aware of some of the elements of the story…and what some did with this is truly shameful. 
And others were reduced to name-calling in efforts to get us to talk.  I even received strange phone calls in the middle of the night demanding disclosure! People actually tried to extort information on this. It is clear that there are many who were simply jealous of our efforts and dislike the idea of a team.  They took a perverse pleasure in deliberately disrupting our continuing investigation. They do not see that they have caused tremendous harm to the pursuit of truth.
Why did they not wait until we had the time to understand more about the slide’s origin, provenance and chain-of-custody? And just why are we under any obligation to apprise strangers of things that we ourselves are still learning about?
Why was it so urgent for them to not first let us try to answer the many “who, what, where, whens , whys and hows” about these images that still remain before blabbering their mouths?
If we did not have these answers at the ready when the evidence was presented, we would be taken to task for not having those answers. We are damned if we do not pre-maturely release the information- and we would be damned if we did.
Why do some wish to bring down this aspect of the investigation and abort our sincere efforts? Are they so frustrated in not being able to see the images (some seem to being have mini-strokes and conniption fits because they have not) that they will do anything to make us release them? Do they seek fame at any cost? Do they not like us? Is it covetous behavior?

ON KEVIN
And when it was found out that Roswell researcher Kevin Randle still had concerns about the slides, the skeptics and mean-spirited wanted to drive a wedge further and deep within the team.  Kevin is entitled to his opinion. We remain civil and he is entitled to his thoughts. On this matter I am convinced that once he became privy to the evidence in a more direct way, he would have changed his mind.
People do not understand that the ‘team’ can have disagreements and still cooperate. They also do not appreciate that it is self-funded, takes time away from making a living, and its members are physically separated by thousands of miles. To then be further encumbered by an early onslaught of negativity before we have even completed our work on this evidence is simply unfair.

WHAT I WILL NOT ANSWER
-The names of the involved geologist and his wife nor the owner of the slides; who authenticated them and how; when the chest was found and the name of who found it; and specifics on the humanoid’s appearance. Anyone who does release this sensitive information really does not care about history and truth, only themselves. They are not honorable and are fame seekers and worse.
-Who has seen the photos and when and where, how they are stored, etc.
-What stage we are at in the investigation; who was contacted during the investigation
-Speculation on the decision masking processes of the owner of the evidence

WHY YOU WILL NOT SEE THE PHOTOS
The owner of the slides certainly sees from afar the puerile and unprofessional behavior of some people.  And he sees judgment cast even before the evidence is shown. He is likely repulsed by such “UFO people” and has no desire to enter such a hellish lion’s den. And he will not use the underbelly of the internet to ever release something of such enormity and cosmic  import.

AJB 

179. Grant Cameron on UFO Sightings and Extended Human Consciousness

Interview examines government knowledge of the connection between extended human consciousness and the UFO Phenomena.

Join Skeptiko host Alex Tsakiris for an interview with UFO researcher, and author, Grant Cameron. During the interview Cameron explains how his research led him to uncover the connection between ESP, telepathy and the UFO phenomena:

Alex Tsakiris: One of the things that we like to do on Skeptiko is to keep pulling on a string and follow it as far as we can. That’s led me to you because when you look at human consciousness and you start looking for explanations for things like telepathy, precognition, out-of-body experiences, and other altered states of consciousness it eventually leads to this UFO thing, and the numerous reports of mind control and telepathy associated with it. So when I heard you say government insiders who really know about the UFO have told you that you can’t really understand this UFO phenomena without having an expanded view of consciousness I was intrigued.  Tell me how you came to this conclusion.

Grant Cameron: …We tracked this guy down and he turns out to be Dr. Eric Walker, who was former President of Penn State University. For 15 years he was the Chairman of the Board of the Institute for Defense Analysis, which is the top military think tank for the United States military. He was the co-developer of the homing torpedo. He was friends with Vannevar Bush. He had this incredible, unbelievable background of military and connections with Presidents and stuff like this. So when we go to him, we’re interviewing him as UFO researchers. We’re not thinking about the mind and consciousness; we couldn’t care less about that, no connection whatsoever. We’re talking to him and we’re trying to find out about this supposed UFO group that runs the whole thing, the MJ-12. We’re asking him questions about MJ-12. “Did you have contact with the aliens? How did the thing operate? How did you cover-up the UFO thing?” And suddenly in the middle of one of these interviews in 1990 he suddenly cuts off the conversation talking about hardware, about bodies and all this, and he suddenly says, “How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?” And Walker says, “Unless you know about it and how to use it, you will not be taken in.”

…Then in 1993 there’s a related story about a conversation that takes place with Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the guy who ran “Skunk Works”, where the U2, the SR-71, the Stealth fighter, the Stealth bomber, they were all developed by what was called Skunk Works. Ben Rich ran it and he would get a number of questions about was this UFO technology? He’s giving a lecture in 1993. He’s dying of cancer. He gives a lecture at UCLA to a bunch of engineers and he’s talking and he says, “We’ve got the technology to take ET home.” He gives his lecture, he finishes the lecture, he’s walking out, and one of the engineers who was interested in UFOs runs after him. He asks, “How are these things propelled? How are UFOs propelled?” And Ben Rich turns around and says to him, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?”

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Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome Grant Cameron to Skeptiko. Grant is a highly-regarded UFO researcher who’s made some fascinating connections between what we know about the UFO phenomena and the kind of extended human consciousness we talk so much about here on Skeptiko. Grant is in the process of publishing two new books and regularly blogs at www.presidentialufo.com. Welcome, Grant, thanks for joining us.

Grant Cameron: Thanks, Alex, for having me on.

Alex Tsakiris: So Grant, one of the things that we like to do on Skeptiko is to keep pulling on a string and follow it as far as we can. That’s what I think led me to you because when you look at human consciousness and you start looking for explanations for things like telepathy, precognition, out-of-body experiences, and all the altered states of consciousness that serious researchers like Rick Strassman has looked into with his DMT research. Or even Terence McKenna used to talk about.

When you try to take that in whole, and then you keep pulling at it, that string eventually leads you to bumping up against this UFO thing and the numerous reports of mind control and really consciousness-bending kinds of ideas that you run into. So when I heard on an interview and I heard you saying that the government insiders who really know about the UFO KIP thing all say that you can’t really understand this UFO phenomena without having an expanded view of human consciousness.

Well, I guess that really got me intrigued and that’s what I was hoping we would talk about today. So let me start with this. I want to jump right to the end and tell me how you came to this conclusion about consciousness being fundamental to understanding the UFO phenomena.

Grant Cameron: Okay, maybe I should first set up a little bit of my background. What happened was I got involved in 1975, just at the end of the Vietnam War right along the Canadian/U.S. border where the U.S. have all their Minuteman III missile silos, that’s where we had a bunch of sightings. Now before then I’d never thought about UFOs. I had no interest whatsoever.

But I did have an interest in stuff like Edgar Cayce, reincarnation research. I was very interested in the work of Dr. Michael Newton. I was very much interested in near-death and consciousness and stuff. But UFOs I had no interest whatsoever.

So I started in 1975 and I had these sightings and really the consciousness thing didn’t come up for like 35 years. It wasn’t until I was at a conference last year in Phoenix, Arizona and I’d filed a lot of UFO material. It started with sightings, realized that sightings really wasn’t getting us anywhere, and got into the government aspect of the documents and somebody must know about this sort of stuff. So for 35 or 37 years I collected material and documents and all this sort of stuff…

Alex Tsakiris: Now, Grant, let me interject here. You’re kind of glossing over the extent of your research which I think is phenomenal. We can talk about the whole field of UFO research and how an independent UFO researcher like you has the guts and determination to do this, but you’re a guy who’s filed how many Freedom of Information requests? And how many have you filed and how many pages of documents are we talking about that you’ve gathered in your research?

Grant Cameron: Oh my goodness. I’ve got over 100 Freedom of Information requests with the Clinton Library. What you do is you basically go to different departments and what I’d done was I tried to find who had the answer. I figured well, the President of the United States is supposedly the most powerful man in the world. He must know.

So I would file with various presidential libraries looking for their documents on UFOs. And also on remote viewing psychic phenomena, this sort of stuff, trying to find out what the President knows about these very sort of intricate, involved parts of reality and figuring at his level he must have a better idea than you and I in the public would know.

So Clinton was very interested in consciousness and UFOs. Hillary was very much into—you know she got caught with this channeling thing with this Jean Houston in New York City, this big scandal where she was talking to Gandhi and Eleanor Roosevelt. So they were really interested and I filed a lot of Freedom of Information requests there and I basically traveled to all the different presidential libraries looking for these documents. It really wasn’t that successful except for the Clintons.

In terms of documents I probably have oh, maybe 10,000 pages of material. A lot of it is not the hard answers sort of stuff but stuff that sort of relates. So I’ve collected an awful lot of material just trying to put it together and there really wasn’t much of an answer.

I’ve had these sort of moments of insight. One was when I had my first UFO sighting in 1975 which it’s sort of just a hit you and it’s like whoa. I didn’t believe this existed. The other one was when I saw Dr. Michael Newton talking about Life Between Lives. He lectured in about 1990 in Laughlin, Nevada. I saw that lecture and that just changed my life. The third one was when we got into this consciousness thing. This was last year in Phoenix where all the UFO lecturers—and this conference goes on for about a week and it’s lecture after lecture for a whole week.

I listened to all these different lectures and there seemed to be this thing where various people who were talking were talking about consciousness. It wasn’t the main part of their lecture but it was just a sub-topic in the lecture. For example, Dr. Steven Greer who did the disclosure news conference trying to expose all the high-level government witnesses, he talked about this consciousness thing, that this is at the basis of the UFO interaction with the Earth. David Sereda and all the various abduction researchers who would talk about this mental telepathy thing that was going between the abductees and the aliens. Nothing happened by word of mouth. It was all telepathy.

So this is sort of a sub-topic. But it wasn’t until the last lecture, and the last lecture was given by Colin Andrews. Colin Andrews is, for people who know the crop circles, the famous crop circles in England, Colin Andrews is the key researcher. He started in 1982. He is the top researcher on crop circles and he gave this lecture which was called “Circles of Consciousness” or something like that.

It was one of these mind-altering things that when I heard his lecture talking about the fact that the aliens were making crop circles but they were also controlling the people who were hoaxing crop circles. That was his whole lecture, that 80% of the crop circles are hoaxed but that the people that he talked to who are hoaxing the crop circles were talking about some sort of interaction, some sort of force that was getting them to make certain types of circles.

So his thing was that the aliens control the whole thing, the real circles and the hoax circles. It was this whole idea that the aliens were sort of in control of what is going on. They’re part of the cover-up and they’re part of this interaction with the human race that they’re leading us along. I got this instant insight for 35, 37 years of research where suddenly everything fit together. All these stories that I could relate to you, these little things that I’ve known for years and years and years. Everything suddenly fit together.

Alex Tsakiris: Grant, hold on because there’s a lot going on here. I want to back up for a minute and say that this realization that you had that these pieces fit together, I think is kind of interesting. I share your perspective on it. From the beginning, these accounts have always had this element to them. This extended consciousness. We had Stan Friedman on this show a while ago and this show that we’re doing today, Grant, will be only the second show that we’ve ever done that touches on UFOs.

Again, our approach to it is to look at the connection between consciousness but Stan Friedman, of course you know, did some pretty extensive work on the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case in 1950. He’s not that interested in consciousness so he immediately brought to the table well, yeah, this guy pulls off the road, has no reason or explanation for why he’s done it, and then is communicating telepathically. So you have both the mind control—why would this guy who’s really kind of fastidious and would never get in the dust and the dirt pull off on this gravel road and get outside of the car? And then how did he know this stuff without communicating?

So from back in the ‘50s there are these reports. I just want to emphasize what you brought up, that this has been hanging around there for a long time and no one’s really put the pieces together. Now that I’ve interrupted you I want to get you back on track.

Grant Cameron: Okay, let me clarify that compared to there’s a part of the UFO community that believes very deeply in the abduction stuff. If you listen to the two top researchers, who were David Jacobs and Budd Hopkins, they talk about the fact that after 1975 we knew everything we knew about UFOs in terms of sightings. You had to get inside the craft to know what was going on. And they would talk about this interaction between abductees and the aliens but they made the connection that other than that, all the people who have talked to the aliens, it’s all hoaxes.

Like back to the 1950’s. The Betty and Barney Hill thing did not start until 1962 when they started to make this thing public. Before then, for example, when they were first abducted they went to NICAP, which was the biggest UFO group in the world at the time. It was headed by Major Kehoe and Major Kehoe said, “This is nonsense. Little aliens do not abduct people on the roads.” He basically would not touch this thing with a 10-foot pole. The same as J. Allen Hynek who was probably the most prominent UFO researcher in the world, the same thing. He said, “Stay away from abductions. It’s no good. Don’t go to abductions.” And a lot of people avoided that sort of interaction thing.

One of the things that people left out, when you get Hopkins and people like this who are talking about the abduction thing, they say everything else is nonsense. I started back with the work of Wilbert Smith who ran the Canadian government UFO program. The Canadian government investigated this thing from 1950 to 1954 and there’s a Top Secret memo. It’s a legitimate Top Secret memo. It was declassified by the Canadian government and in that memo, Wilbert Smith who is running the Canadian government UFO program writes to the deputy minister of the Department of Transport, giving a report on UFOs. He said…

Alex Tsakiris: Grant, let me interject here because this is really an important memo for folks who are still on the skeptical side of the whole UFO thing. What I want you to do is talk about in real simple terms who Wilbert Smith is, which you just did, and how did Wilbert Smith come to write this memo? Why was he down in D.C. and why should we believe what’s in the memo? And along the way, of course, you have to tell us what’s in this memo.

Grant Cameron: Okay, he was called a senior radio engineer and after the program was shut down and he was actually promoted to the head of communications. He worked at Shirley’s Bay which is outside of Ottawa, the Canadian capital, and basically it’s the NSA of Canada. He ran Radio Ottawa which is trying to pick off Russian communications. He was in charge of all the radio frequencies, AM/FM radio frequencies. So when FM radio came in in the late ‘50s, he would negotiate with the Americans on radio frequencies along the border. “You get this frequency; we get this frequency.”

But he also controlled the military frequencies and the Intelligence frequencies and handing out radio frequencies to these people. He was given the job to research the Flying Saucer thing. He was very interested. He said that he was down at a conference in Washington, D.C. and a couple of famous UFO books had come out. He started to ask questions and he said he basically got these confirmations. So he writes back to the Canadian government and he’s reporting on what he learned at the Canadian Embassy in Washington, D.C…

Alex Tsakiris: As part of his job. This is what he’s supposed to be doing. It’s also his passion and his interest but this is a real guy in Canadian security in the U.S., in D.C., and asking around, “Hey, what about this UFO stuff?”

Grant Cameron: Yeah. And he’s going through the military attaché which was attached to the Research and Development Board in the United States. The Canadian military liaison guy was giving him a lot of this information and the Research and Development Board in the United States was in charge of the hydrogen bomb, all the weapon research. This was the key sort of research and development aspect of the American military.

So he’s getting this material and he reports back the basic things that UFO people have always, for 30 years, have talked about this UFO thing. He was told Flying Saucers exist. The most highly classified subject in the United States, rated two points higher than the hydrogen bomb. This was written in December of 1950, two years before the first hydrogen bomb was detonated. So this is before the hydrogen bomb and he’s saying this is a higher classification than the hydrogen bomb. Then he says that there’s a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush, who was the scientific advisor to Roosevelt during WWII…

Alex Tsakiris: The go-to guy, Vannevar Bush. He’s the go-to guy for everything, right, at the highest level? So atom bomb, nuclear…

Grant Cameron: Everything. All your atomic bomb, your jet engine, proximity fuse, every major development during WWII, the scientific aspect was headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush. So Smith is saying he’s given the job to figure out this Flying Saucer thing. So Smith is going back and saying “Flying Saucers are real.” He was told by American officials and he doesn’t say like some guy. He’s saying American officials are telling him this is for real and that if we have anything to exchange they’re willing to exchange. So for 30 years in the UFO community, I along with everybody else, quoted these four points. But the very next line in the document, everybody has left out…

Alex Tsakiris: Now hold on. Before you get to that next line let’s do a little cliffhanger here. Who was the intended audience for this memo? When does this memo become public? And what other evidence do we have that this was completely legitimate? What other confirmations do we have from other individuals that this did in fact happen the way that Smith said it did?

Grant Cameron: Okay, it was written in December 1950 to start with. It wasn’t declassified. Stan Friedman was actually one of the people who forced it to be pushed out, but it wasn’t fully declassified until 1978, I believe it was.

Alex Tsakiris: So almost 30 years later.

Grant Cameron: That this thing was declassified. And what happened was that when Smith was dying, he was dying of cancer of the lower bowel. He knew he was dying. He told his wife to get rid of the files. So the files were held by his oldest son and they were then moved to a researcher in Ottawa who knew that this memo existed because Smith had a copy in his personal files. So there was push from these researchers who knew what was in the files to get the Canadian government to declassify the documents.

So when they finally declassified the documents in 1978, this Top Secret document became public. Now, the way the government got out of it was they said he didn’t have the right to put Top Secret on it. They tried to find different ways to sort of invalidate the document but it is a valid document. It is in the Canadian research libraries and nobody denies that it wasn’t written and it wasn’t Top Secret. They’re just playing on the edges of whether they should have been Top Secret to start with. So this document is there. Smith writes it and he’s writing it to the Canadian government and…

Alex Tsakiris: And then we have confirmation from a U.S. official who says…

Grant Cameron: What happens is Stanton tracks down an interview that Smith does at the Canadian Embassy with a scientist, Dr. Robert Starbacher, who in the 1950s was a consultant to the U.S. military to the Research and Development Board. In 1983, after the document becomes public, Smith’s personal files become public and this interview, this handwritten interview with Dr. Starbacher, which gives part of the material—not all of the material in the Top Secret memo—but some of it. Stanton decides to see if this guy is still alive.

He finds the guy in Florida, Dr. Robert Starbacher, and he talks to Robert Starbacher.

“Did you give this interview to Wilbert Smith?”

He said, “Yeah, I recall giving this interview at the Canadian Embassy.”

He says, “What was the background?”

He says, “Well, one of the consultants in Washington at the Navy section, I was called into a series of meetings at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base where they had a crashed Flying Saucer and they were briefing a bunch of high-ranking scientists at the Research and Development Board.”

He didn’t have time to go—he was working the Canadian DO Line Project. But he started naming off these different people to Stanton who had gone. He named off Dr. Bush, of course. He named off Von Neumann who was the initiator of the computer, Dr. Von Braun. He named off a number of high-ranking scientists. Then he named off one scientist who was still alive. That’s kind of a long story. Dr. Eric Walker, who’s the former president of Penn State University.

We actually go to him and he confirms a lot of this stuff. So Starbacher does give confirmation for the fact that he did tell Smith it was the most highly classified subject in the United States, that Flying Saucers were real. All we know is we didn’t make them; we don’t know who made them. And so it sets the basis for the fact that Smith has not just connections with people in the United States but he has connections with the U.S. government.

In fact, his son confirmed to me as a rumored story that at the end of his life, his father had told him that yes, he had actually gotten access to the crashed Flying Saucer. He was shown a crashed Flying Saucer outside of Washington, D.C. and he did see the bodies. So Smith was at this very high level, classified area where there was actually interaction between the U.S. and the Canadian government.

Alex Tsakiris: And we should add that Wilbert Smith is someone that you have researched, a fellow Canadian that you have researched extensively. So you’ve spent several years collecting as many of his notes and documents and interviewing family members and friends. So it’s really been a major interest area of yours. Is that correct?

Grant Cameron: Yeah, yeah. And I have all his files which are four DVDs full. There was a lot of material.

Alex Tsakiris: But I want to come back and unravel and get back to the next line in the memo.

Grant Cameron: So in 1950 when Smith writes this memo to the Canadian government, describing what he’s been told by officials of the United States, he talks about the UFO stuff which everybody quotes. The very next line everybody leaves out. I left it out for years, too. He said, “I was further informed that U.S. authorities (and you’ve got to get that—U.S. authorities) are investigating along quite a number of lines which might possibly be related to the Saucers such as mental phenomena, and I gather they are not doing too well since they have indicated that if Canada is doing anything at all along the lines of geomagnetics they would welcome a discussion with suitably accredited Canadians.”

So he’s basically saying that they’ve got this connection with mental phenomena and if there’s anybody inside Canada who’s working on it, if you get cleared to talk on a classified level, we’re willing to talk to you because we’re trying to figure this thing out. And the key part of this whole thing is that in 1950, no matter what anybody in the UFO community wants to say, there was no discussion. None whatsoever in any literature that there was any interaction between the aliens and human beings.

The first interaction that’s publicly been made known was when the contactees, which were people who were talking to the Blonds, appeared in 1952. George Adamski. There was a bunch of them in 1952 that started to say, “We’re talking to aliens and we’re having meetings with them.” Smith writes this memo two years before. There is no discussion in UFO literature about an interaction, whether it’s talking to aliens or whether it’s telepathy.

So the important part of this whole thing is that in 1950, Smith is saying the American authorities already know that mental phenomena is part of this Flying Saucer phenomenon. The American government, who will say right up to today—Obama released a statement just a couple of months ago saying we have no evidence. We don’t have anything. And here’s Smith saying in a Top Secret memo, which is not discussion of whether this is a legitimate memo, in 1950 he’s already saying the American authorities know about the importance of mental phenomena associated with the Flying Saucers. So they’ve known the mental phenomena aspect right from Day One.

Alex Tsakiris: So, Grant, that’s fascinating. Now make the connection for us for MK-ULTRA. Tell people a little bit about what is MK-ULTRA, particularly because it happens up there in Canada.

Grant Cameron: Okay. The whole MK-ULTRA and all the related programs didn’t become public until the mid-1970s and it became public in a big scandal in the United States. Richard Helms had been involved. When it first became public, it had been sort of discovered immediately that the vast majority of the documents had been destroyed. This was basically the CIA working on mind control and on trying to work on this aspect of using the mind as a weapon of war, interrogating people, finding out what the Russians were doing, and all this sort of stuff.

When you look back at the thing, there’s this very significant meeting that takes place. Smith writes this memo in December of 1950 and one of the people that’s mentioned in the Top Secret memo is Dr. Oman Salant, who was the head of the military research board in Canada. Smith mentions him, that he’s briefing him as well. He’s writing it to the Department of Transport but the Defense Department, this Oman Salant, is involved.

Alex Tsakiris: I guess what I’m asking is don’t we have to look at that a little bit differently now that we understand the Smith memo and the next line that you talked about? Because I understand the Russian connection. We had Joe McMoneagle, who was Psychic Spy #001 at Stanford Research Institute as part of the Stargate Program. We interviewed him and we understand that there really was this perceived threat from the USSR.

But I think what you bring to the table here is that there’s this other element going on which is this UFO, the understanding that the UFO phenomena is related to these mental phenomena and I think that that plays into this, as well. Maybe I’m taking it too far. Would you agree with that?

Grant Cameron: Well, I don’t think we really get the UFO connection until later. In the ‘50s, ‘60s, ‘70s I don’t think you get these pieces falling out like the MK-ULTRA, that whole scandal about the fact that the CIA was interested in the mind and the military aspects. It’s not until later when I get these other pieces that pop in that were always in my head, that sort of fit in where it says the UFO connection is really important.

The one was I mentioned Dr. Robert Starbacher and he was giving material to Wilbert Smith and when Stanton interviewed him he says, “Well, who was there? Was anybody alive? You’re mentioning all these guys who are dead.” He said, “There’s this one guy from Pennsylvania. He was real arrogant. He thought he knew everything. He attended all the meetings.” We tracked this guy down and he turns out to be Dr. Eric Walker, who was former President of Penn State University.

For 15 years he was the Chairman of the Board of the Institute for Defense Analysis, which is the top military think tank for the United States military. He was the co-developer of the homing torpedo. He was friends with Vannevar Bush. He had this incredible, unbelievable background of military and connections with Presidents and stuff like this. So when we go to him, we’re interviewing him as UFO researchers. We’re not thinking about the mind; we couldn’t care less about that, no connection whatsoever.

We’re talking to him and we’re trying to find out about this supposed UFO group that runs the whole thing, the MJ-12. We’re asking him questions about MJ-12. “Did you have contact with the aliens? How did the thing operate? How did you cover-up the UFO thing?” And suddenly in the middle of one of these interviews in 1990, he’s interviewed for about eight years. I’m running this team of researchers around the world. I’m not talking to them. There are people who say, “I can get Walker to talk.”

“Okay, here’s his phone number.” And what we’d do is we’d take all the interviews that are done with him and we put them in a book. In 1990 in the middle of one of these interviews, he suddenly cuts off the conversation talking about hardware, about bodies and all this, and he suddenly says, “How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?” And the other guy goes, “Well, not really.” It’s not of interest to him. And Walker says, “Unless you know about it and how to use it, you will not be taken in.”

Because the question was about who’s running the group. What’s this MJ-12? How many people are in the group? How are these people operating? And he says, “Unless you know about ESP and how to use it, you would not be taken in by this MJ-12, this over-riding group that runs the UFO program. Only a few know about it.” We saw the interview and I put it in the book. We published the book in 1990. We’re about to re-publish the book. We put it in this book in 1991.

We never mentioned it in the book. We never brought up this mention of the fact that ESP was involved because it meant nothing to us. We were into the hardware and the bodies and all this sort of stuff. But he mentions this in 1990. Then in 1993 there’s a related story about a conversation that takes place with Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the guy who ran Skunk Works, where the U2, the SR-71, the Stealth fighter, the Stealth bomber, they were all developed by what was called Skunk Works.

Ben Rich ran it and he would get a number of questions about was this UFO technology? He’s giving a lecture in 1993. He’s dying of cancer. He gives a lecture at UCLA to a bunch of engineers and he’s talking and he says, “We’ve got the technology to take ET home.” He gives his lecture, he finishes the lecture, he’s walking out, and one of the engineers who was interested in UFOs runs after him.

He says to Ben Rich, “How are these things propelled? How are UFOs propelled?” And Ben Rich turns around and says to him, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?” And the guy says, “Well, it means that all points in time and space are connected.” And Ben Rich turns around and he says, “That’s how they work.” And so here’s this top guy in U.S. military research who’s saying ESP, that’s how UFOs are propelled. So you get these connections years later that basically put this together.

Alex Tsakiris: Grant, let me layer something else on top of here that I’ve heard you say that changed the way that I think about this whole topic. I don’t know to what extent I fully, fully agree with you but that’s that you look at the UFO phenomena through a national security lens rather than as a scientific phenomenon. You insist that we look at it from a national security perspective. Tell us what you mean by that.

Grant Cameron: Well, let me clarify that. I wrote an article. It’s on my website. If you go to my website, on the right-hand side you’ll see Articles. I wrote an article I used to call “The 64 Reasons the Government Decided Not to Tell You the Truth.” The #1 reason is because it’s classified. This is military technology. If we can develop things that can fly around and nobody can capture them; if we can get this mind technology where we can go and grab the head of the Soviet Union or Russia and get into his head and give him messages like what’s happening with abductions and be back in Washington for lunch, that’s the kind of technology we want.

Alex Tsakiris: Let’s slow down and talk about that because we have to look at that for a minute. From a historical perspective, hey, that’s always been Priority #1 for any nation-state. Not only defense but offense. Whoever has the best weapon wins. And wins decisively. And their ideology and their whole culture advances. So this is really Priority #1 for any state. And we don’t have to look back too far in our history for evidence of that, right? So you can’t really make that point strong enough that this would be the top priority for any kind of new technology.

Grant Cameron: Yeah, it’s called “Military Lead-Time.” If you have a weapon and you suddenly decide to use it in a war, how long did it take you to develop it? If it takes you 60 years to develop it; you suddenly use it in a war, the other side can go to their leader and say, “Well, we’re going to fight this off and how long is it going to take?” “Well, about 60 years.” You know right now from the Iraq war, you can wipe out everybody else’s tanks in about two weeks. If you have a weapon, it’s over.

But there’s the other aspect of this whole cover-up thing, the 64 Reasons. One is the government is covering up for their reasons, military security and the fact that we’re paranoid and the Chinese and everybody in the world is trying to get us. We have to have this security and defense to protect the United States of America. But the other aspect is the aspect that connects with the mental phenomena and that is that the aliens are covering up as well.

The aliens could land on the White House lawn anytime they want; they could come onto the TV and announce themselves. They don’t and there is a cover-up by the aliens and that’s what I say, is that if you take a look at what’s happening and what I say the UFO community has missed is that in the UFO history, if you look it is like the aliens are turning the pages of a book.

There’s just one thing after another:

1947 to 1952, they do nothing except fly around and let people see them.

1952, they start to talk to people.

1961, they start abducting people.

1967, the cattle mutilation stuff starts. It does not start before 1967.

socorro, nm 1964 ufo case

In tandem with his 9/19/13 appearance, James Fox shares images and documents related to the 1964 Socorro, NM UFO incident.


1) The following diagrams were drafted by Army Captain Richard T. Holder, Up-Range Commander of White Sands Proving Grounds, along with FBI agent, Arthur Byrnes, Jr., from the Albuquerque office. This is the famous UFO landing incident witnessed by Officer Lonnie Zamora and what these diagrams prove is that despite the military's efforts to play down the fact that Officer Zamora saw two small occupants in white jump suits standing next to the landed UFO, the military knew early on that there was physical evidence to substantiate the contrary but privately kept that to themselves. I personally scanned these documents from the National Archives in July of this year.

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2) Headlines of Socorro New Mexico UFO landing



3) Document discussing a possible, "Top Secret" meeting about Socorro case



4) Landing site photograph from USAF files showing burnt brush from propulsion.

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A team of British scientists is convinced it has found proof of alien life, after it harvested strange particles from the edge of space.

The scientists sent a balloon 27km into the stratosphere, which came back carrying small biological organisms which they believe can only have originated from space.

Professor Milton Wainwright told The Independent that he was "95 per cent convinced" that the organisms did not originate from earth.

"By all known information that science has, we know that they must be coming in from space," he said. "There is no known mechanism by which these life forms can achieve that height. As far as we can tell from known physics, they must be incoming."

Some of the samples were captured covered with cosmic dust, adding further credence to the idea that they have originated from space.

"The organisms are not usual," said Professor Wainwright, who works at the University of Sheffield’s Department of Molecular Biology and Biotechnology. "If they came from earth, we would expect to see stuff that we find on earth commonly, like pollen."

"We're very, very confident that these are biological entities originating from space," he said, acknowledging that absolutely certainty is hard to achieve in science.

The team believes that the entities are coming from comets, which are big balls of ice shooting through space. The samples were collected during a meteorite shower from a comet. As they hit the earth's atmosphere, the comets melt - ablate, to give it a technical term - releasing the organisms as they break down.

"The particles are very clean," added Prof Wainwright. "They don't have any dust attached to them, which again suggests they're not coming to earth. Similarly, cosmic dust isn't stuck to them, so we think they came from an aquatic environment, and the most obvious aquatic environment in space is a comet.

"They're very unusual beasts, not your normal kind of life from earth."

The organisms are 'very unusual' (University of Sheffield)  

The organisms are probably not alive, but, excitingly, probably do contain DNA. Similar ones harvested during an earlier experiment have contained the chemical, which is one of the fundamental building blocks of life on earth.

The fact that they contain DNA is probably one of the most exciting aspects to this discovery, as it is a big hint that life on earth may itself have extraterrestrial origins.

"If we're right, it means that there's life in space, and it's coming to earth. It means that life on earth probably originated in space," said Professor Wainwright. "Statistically, there's no reason why life should originate on earth. There are billions and billions of comets, but most biologists are stuck on earth.

"The earth is an open system with biology raining down on it as we speak.

"It's almost too amazing to believe."

He scotched the theory that the life forms arrived in the upper atmosphere after being blasted there from a volcano.

"The last volcano was three years ago, and the matter has all been deposited by now," he said.

Professor Wainwright’s team is hoping to extend and confirm their results by carrying out the test again in October to coincide with the upcoming Halley’s Comet-associated meteorite shower when there will be large amounts of cosmic dust. It is hoped that more new, or unusual, organisms will be found.

The group’s findings have been published in the Journal of Cosmology and updated versions will appear in the same journal, a new version of which will be published in the near future. Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe of the Buckingham University Centre for Astrobiology also gave a presentation of the group’s findings at a meeting of astronomers and astrobiologists in San Diego last month.

Could life on earth have come from outer space? (University of Sheffield)

Despite these fantastical claims, the Journal of Cosmology has had its reputation called into question more than once by other members of the scientific community.

Scientists ‘freeze’ light for an entire minute

In what could prove to be a major breakthrough in quantum memory storage and information processing, German researchers have frozen the fastest thing in the universe: light. And they did so for a record-breaking one minute.

It sounds weird and it is. The reason for wanting to hold light in its place (aside from the sheer awesomeness of it) is to ensure that it retains its quantum coherence properties (i.e. its information state), thus making it possible to build light-based quantum memory. And the longer that light can be held, the better as far as computation is concerned. Accordingly, it could allow for more secure quantum communications over longer distances.

Needless to say, halting light is not easy — you can't just put in the freezer. Light is electromagnetic radiation that moves at 300 million meters per second. Over the course of a one minute span, it can travel about 11 million miles (18 million km), or 20 round trips to the moon. So it's a rather wily and slippery medium, to say the least.

But light can be slowed down and even halted altogether. And in fact, researchers once kept it still for 16 seconds by using cold atoms.

For this particular experiment, researcher Georg Heinze and his team converted light coherence into atomic coherences. They did so by using a quantum interference effect that makes an opaque medium — in this case a crystal — transparent over a narrow range of light spectra (a process called electromagnetically induced transparency (EIT)). The researchers shot a laser through this crystal (a source of light), which sent its atoms into a quantum superposition of two states. A second beam then switched off the first laser, and as a consequence, the transparency. Thus, the researchers collapsed the superposition — and trapped the second laser beam inside.

Image: Heinze et al.

And they proved the accomplishment by storing — and then successfully retrieving — information in the form of a 100-micrometer-long picture with three horizontal stripes on it.

"The result outperforms earlier demonstrations in atomic gases by about six orders of magnitude and offers exciting possibilities of long-storage-time quantum memories that are spatially multiplexed, i.e., can store different quantum bits as different pixels," notes physicist Hugues de Riedmatten in an associated Physics Review article.

In future, the researchers will try to use different substances to increase the duration of information storage even further.

Read the entire study at Physical Review Letters: "Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced Transparency up to the Regime of One Minute."

[Sources: New Scientist, American Physical Society.]

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Frank Drake — Evidence/Data Methodologies In Ufology

In November (05) I sent the following correspondence to Frank Drake:

Dear Mr. Drake,

Back in July a colleague of yours, Seth Shostak debated Stanton Friedman on the idea that some UFOs are indeed ET spacecraft; Friedman took the "pro position" and Shostak of course opposed the notion.

One thing the two men agreed upon was that they both adhered to the concept of “intelligent life existing in the universe.” As the debate progressed Shostak took issue with the evidence that Ufologists in general present for their theorem—this brings me to my question:

It would seem that most of the ideologies presented today from “mainstream Astronomers” e.g., extra-solar planets, rogue planets, black holes etc., are based on “circumstantial evidence”; for example, the idea of “extra-solar planets” is deduced by a “star’s wobble”; my observation, as well as the question, is why the guidelines for Astronomers in regards to evidence is acceptable in “their field” but they won’t apply the same rules to Ufology.

I would certainly appreciate your thoughts on the “evidence or data methodologies” used in Astronomy, and why said methodologies don’t seem to be adequate for Ufology.

Thank You,
Respectfully,
Frank Warren

He kindly responded:

Hi:

Well, it is hard to give a short answer to your query.

However, the rules of evidence for mainstream astronomy and UFOlogy are actually the same.In both cases we look for well-observed, calibrated data, which can be verified by repeat observations or experiments, best done by more than one observer.

All the astronomical claims of actual existence you mention are supported by such solid, repeatable evidence. The wobbles in stars are seen to repeat, and to follow a complicated pattern which fits precisely the wobble expected when a star is being pulled on by a planet moving with a changing speed in an elliptical orbit. This is a very definitive requirement, which is met precisely by the observations. Furthermore, in some cases there is more than the wobble to go on—the light of the star is decreased by just the right amount and with the complex time history expected if the planet passes in front of the star. And it repeats as it should. So there is no doubt here.

Some things are still speculations, of course. Rogue planets are one. There are no observations of such a planet. But it is fair to speculate they exist from our growing modeling of what takes place as a planetary system is formed, and the prediction from this modeling that some planets will be ejected from the system. Indeed, it would be amazing if this did not occur.

When it comes to UFO reports, none of the evidence criterion are satisfied. No observations can be repeated. None has ever been definitively recorded. So the rigid standards of science are far from met. As Carl Sagan said, "Grand claims require grand evidence", and that evidence is not there.

Frank Drake

I replied:

FW: Dear Mr. Drake, Thank you for you for your expeditious reply to my inquiry.

FD: Hi:

Well, it is hard to give a short answer to your query. Actually I was looking forward to a "detailed explanation." However, the rules of evidence for mainstream astronomy and UFOlogy are actually the same. In both cases we look for well-observed, calibrated data, which can be verified by repeat observations or experiments, best done by more than one observer.

FW: Allow me to play devil's advocate based on your affirmation of equality in regards to evidentiary protocol of Astronomy and Ufology.

FD: All the astronomical claims of actual existence you mention are supported by such solid, repeatable evidence. The wobbles in stars are seen to repeat, and to follow a complicated pattern which fits precisely the wobble expected when a star is being pulled on by a planet moving with a changing speed in an elliptical orbit. This is a very definitive requirement, which is met precisely by the observations. Furthermore, in some cases there is more than the wobble to go on—the light of the star is decreased by just the right amount and with the complex time history expected if the planet passes in front of the star. And it repeats as it should. So there is no doubt here.

FW: To be clear, (from a layman's [me] point of view) since we have "empirical evidence" of our own sun's orbit presumably being affected by the gravity (pull) of Jupiter (and other large planets in our own solar system), and the orbit (wobble) seems to be directly proportional to the mass of said planet; we therefore can presume the "same effect" takes place in other solar systems, with their stars, and although we cannot see the planets, we can observe the wobble, via "Doppler Shift" etc. Since the "wobble" is directly proportional to the "mass of a planet" (at least it appears to be here, in our solar system) we can determine the mass of said planet by mathematical equation.

In addition to the wobble of a distant star, going on the assumption that it is indeed a planet's gravity causing the wobble, one could assume that if said planet were to cross between the earth and the star being observed, the light from the star would be measurably diminished.

You finally, state, that "there is no doubt here." I take that to mean that this is going "beyond theory" and is accepted as fact . . . interesting.

First I'd like to state that the "circumstantial (indirect) evidence" put on the table for "extra-solar planets" is more then enough "for me," for validation of their existence; however, playing "Devil's Advocate":

1). Can we state emphatically that there aren't "other forces" in the universe that aren't currently known that would "mimic the pull" caused by gravity of a "Jupiter sized planet?" Could another "space borne" object of the same mass cause the wobble?

2). Are there other actions that could affect "Doppler Shift," or any other form of detection in the same manner that "star wobble" does, e.g., pulsations etc.?

3). Given the fact that the most detection methods of "extra-solar planets" is relatively new, (with technology expanding by leaps and bounds) and not without controversy, i.e., ("Barnard's Star and possible planetary bodies, David Gray's disputation of 51 Peg,") isn't possible that either "new information" could surface, or the interpretation of the data may change, and affect the current conclusions?

IMHO if the answers to any of the afore mentioned questions is "unknown" or "it's possible," then that would leave "some" doubt, albeit little to the "absolute existence" of extra-solar planets based on the current methodologies used for their reality; that said, what we're left with is strong "circumstantial evidence" in support of the "theory" of extra-solar planets."

FD: Some things are still speculations, of course. Rogue planets are one. There are no observations of such a planet. But it is fair to speculate they exist from our growing modeling of what takes place as a planetary system is formed, and the prediction from this modeling that some planets will be ejected from the system. Indeed, it would be amazing if this did not occur.

FW: Agreed.

FD: When it comes to UFO reports, none of the evidence criterion are satisfied. No observations can be repeated. None has ever been definitively recorded. So the rigid standards of science are far from met. As Carl Sagan said, "Grand claims require grand evidence", and that evidence is not there.

FW: Here I have to respectfully disagree; you stated that the criterion for the rules of evidence for mainstream astronomy and UFOlogy are actually the same. In both cases we look for:

1). Well-observed, calibrated data.

2). Verification by repeat observations or experiments.

3). Multiple observers.

First let me clarify some points: The bulk of UFO reports over the last 60 years after thorough investigation, can be attributed to more conventional explanations, e.g., known aircraft, celestial bodies etc.; however, the ones addressed
here are the smaller percentage that cannot be explained in a conventional manner.

The ones I speak of are of an "unknown airborne craft" that exhibit characteristics beyond man-made technologies. It is true, that this phenomena can't for the most part be repeated "on demand" it is a "transient uncontrollable unpredictable event"; however, it certainly does repeat, and observations are to numerous to count. It of course isn't the same as observing a "fixed celestial body" and doesn't have the same obvious advantages for scientific research. It does/has re-occurred, often, and can/has been recorded in a number of ways to allow for scientific investigation; for example:

1). In most cases involving a "craft" there is "direct evidence," i.e., "eye witnesses.

2). The craft "occupies space."

3). It moves as time passes.

4). It emits "thermal effects."

5). It exhibits light emission and absorption.

6). It effects the atmosphere.

7). It can be photographed.

8). It has left residual "after-effects," i.e., forensic evidence etc.

9). It has caused electric, magnetic and gravitational disorders.

10). It has been tracked by radar

The list goes on . . .

You've stated that none (UFOs) have been "definitively recorded." This is inaccurate. UFOs, in this instance "unknown craft" have been photographed, video taped, tracked by radar, and those readings recorded. In addition, they have been pursued by "our aircraft," and those of other countries.

Finally, "all" the criterion you cite for evidence have been met for Ufology with one more addition, "eye witnesses." One only need to look at the data. This is not to say that all the questions have been answered; in fact, it evokes this one—"why doesn't Ufology receive that attention it deserves from mainstream science?"

You quoted one of Carl Sagan's often used statements; I might add that he also said, "In physics, as in much of all science, there are no permanent truths; there is a set of approximations, getting closer and closer, and people must always be ready to revise what has been in the past thought to be the absolute gospel truth."

But back to the quote you mention, "grand claims require grand evidence." Is what Ufologists suggest so grand, so far out? By your own device, ("Drake's Equation") you suggest the number of planets in our galaxy with intelligent, technological civilizations. Is it so far out that one of these civilizations is far more advanced then we, and have mastered space travel; or travel in ways beyond our comprehension. Using our own technological advancement as a baseline we have progressed in a few generations to what only our ancestors could describe as "magic" given some examples; think what might and most assuredly would happen in thousands of years, or more! I've always found it odd that intelligent people admit to advance ETI, yet believe that when it comes to traveling to earth--they (ET) "played hooky" from that class!

Omitting the evidence, the data, for a moment (regarding Ufology) and agreeing on the common point(s) that there is "abundant intelligent life in the universe," the question is not "are they here," but "why wouldn't they be?

I would like to hear your thoughts on what I've presented, as well as my last question if you would be so kind.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,
Frank Warren

Mr. Drake hasn't responded to date.

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British Tabloid Apologizes to Aliens for Linking Them to Scientology

The Church of Scientology forced the British tabloid The Sun to apologize for reporting that UFOs were seen flying over the church's British headquarters — but The Sun apologized to the aliens. It is one of the best newspaper apologies ever. The Sun says it's sorry for the weekend report "Flying saucers over British Scientology HQ" — flat silver discs were seen hovering by three airplane pilots — explaining, "Following a letter from lawyers for the Church, we apologise to any alien lifeforms for linking them to Scientologists."

As Lawrence Wright reported in his book Going Clear, the Church of Scientology is infamous for aggressively suing its critics for libel — something that's all the more dangerous in Britain, where it's a lot easier to win libel suits. It's so easy that Going Clear was not published in Britain.

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September 7

Two Maine men who claim they were abducted by extraterrestrials aren't shy about retelling their stories

By Matt Byrne mbyrne@pressherald.com
Staff Writer

By their own account, there may be no good, earthly reason for Jim Weiner and Chuck Foltz to do what they plan to this weekend.

There is neither a fortune to be made nor fame to acquire.

Yet on Sunday evening before a crowd of strangers and old friends, the two longtime buddies will recount in stunning detail their recollection of the night, nearly 40 years ago, when they say they and two others were plucked from a canoe on Eagle Lake in the Allagash Wilderness Waterway and taken aboard an alien spacecraft.

"Number one, we have nothing to gain by this except public ridicule," said Foltz, 63. "Our goal would be to enlighten, inform and put some type of positive direction on this."

At the second annual "Experiencers Speak" conference, which began Friday and ends Sunday at the Clarion Hotel in Portland, Weiner, Foltz and more than a dozen other speakers will tell their stories of close encounters. Weiner and Foltz's will be the final presentation, scheduled for Sunday evening, in a slate of programs meant to provide comfort and understanding for a group of people whose experiences nearly by definition relegate them to the fringe.

That little of what will be said can be independently verified is of little concern to the believers, for their knowledge is firsthand, many say.

"The goal is to help experiencers come to terms with what's happening to them, and get over their fears and get on with their lives," said Audrey Hewins of Oxford, the organizer of the conference and whose regional group, Starborn Support, hosts monthly meetings for a few dozen people to help them cope with their abduction or close-encounter experience.

In the world of ufology -- the oft-marginalized study of unidentified flying objects and the accompanying foreign beings that purportedly interact with people on Earth -- the "Allagash incident" ranks among the most substantiated in the United States.

The case was the subject of a 1993 book, "The Allagash Abductions," by longtime UFO investigator Raymond E. Fowler, which bills itself as "undeniable evidence of alien intervention" into human life. The tome is a relatively straightforward account of how Fowler encountered the four men, interviewed them and had them undergo regression hypnosis -- a form of guided relaxation that purports to allow people to retrieve lost or repressed memories.

Through independent sessions of hypnosis performed years after the 1976 encounter, Weiner, Foltz, Weiner's twin brother, Jack, and a fourth companion, Charles Rak, each recounted slightly different versions of the same, horrifying story of being used as human test subjects by an advanced, celestial race of humanoid figures who took them aboard their craft that night.

When they were asked about the experience during an interview Friday, the voices of Jim Weiner and Foltz did not not waver. Their gaze maintained a steady intensity as they recalled the brilliant orb of light that first hovered over the trees. They described a beam of light emanating from the orb and surrounding them, before they were whisked to parts unknown.

The experience aboard the craft, where they were probed and tested by four-fingered beings with almond-shaped eyes and languid limbs, appeared to have taken about two hours, according to their accounts.

But when the experience occurred, the group of four felt no gap in time. Only later, when a large campfire built to burn for hours had seemingly died down in a matter of minutes, did they realize they had "lost time," a blind spot in their recollections that was only filled in later under deep hypnosis.

The steadfastness of their story has not deterred a legion of doubters, debunkers and verbal assailants, though. They've been called crazy more times than they care to remember.

Jack Weiner, 61, who suffers from multiple sclerosis and cannot easily travel from his Vermont home, said in a telephone interview Friday that his experience in Allagash refocused his career away from the arts and toward hard science and mathematics. He doesn't care whether people believe his story, he said, and dismisses debunkers as close-minded and sometimes ignorant of the breadth of scientific knowledge.

"They weren't there," Jack Weiner said. "I didn't see them there. If they want to stay ignorant, there's nothing I can do to change them. I know differently from my own experience."

Rak, the fourth member of the canoe party, has been out of contact with the group for more than two decades and could not be located for an interview.

But that does not deter Jim Weiner and Foltz, who are both from the Boston area, from pursuing further study and inquiry into what they believe is a global effort by world governments to systematically conceal from the public the truth about the existence of alien life.

The nay-saying crowd, Weiner said, is a product of some restrictive worldview that cannot possibly fathom that aliens exist.

"What we describe threatens them in some way," said Weiner, who works in information technology at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design in Boston. Be it social, religious or scientific beliefs, he said, "the only way they can maintain a sense of self is by denial or accusation. It's much easier to say, 'Oh, you're making it up,' or, 'Oh, you're crazy,' or, 'You're a fraud.'"

Joe Cambria, who operates the New England UFO Research Organization and a companion hotline for witnesses to report sightings, said he receives a steady stream of calls, the vast majority -- as high as 90 percent -- from hoaxsters and phonies.

"Then that final 10 percent is what's interesting," he said.

Skepticism is a requirement for any serious UFO inquiry, said Cambria, of Wakefield, Mass. He is even skeptical of the use of the word "abduction."

"People are having (internal) experiences," said Cambria, his voice rising.

"But kidnappings? Something's been going on out there, and it's been going on out there since recorded time. We don't have an answer for it, but we continue to study it."

The conference had a sold-out dinner for 60 Friday night, said Hewins, who expects more than 100 people to attend the sessions over the weekend.

Matt Byrne can be contacted at at 791-6303 or at:

mbyrne@pressherald.com

IF ET CALLS...

In my previous column I examined the difficult relationship between ufology and SETI. In particular, I highlighted the Square Kilometer Array (SKA) radio telescope, an instrument so powerful, that when fully operational, in 2024, it will be able to detect an airport radar at a distance of 50 light years. I speculated that this might be the moment at which the human race learns of the existence of other civilizations.

 My previous column proved controversial and many people expressed surprise that I was giving publicity to SETI’s search for life ‘out there’, when – as they believe – it’s already ‘down here’. I don’t know about that, but given the fact that if there’s a detectable civilization anywhere in our small part of the galaxy, the SKA may be the tool that finds it, it seems prudent that ufologists give some thought to this. Because make no mistake about it, this would be a scientific proof that would tick all the boxes in terms of universal, undeniable verifiability. 

 All too often, it seems to me, the UFO community gets so hung up on trying to prove the reality of extraterrestrial visitation (and the associated government cover-up that they believe keeps this knowledge from the public), that it fails to ask the killer question: what next? What would happen if we really did get absolute and undeniable proof of the existence not just of alien life, but of other civilizations? 

 There are, of course, a few honorable exceptions. While I disagree with many of their points, Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel attempted to ask “what next?” in their book “AD. After Disclosure”. Steve Bassett has discussed some of what he sees as the implications in various lectures and interviews. My own view is that a lot of this gets bogged down in discussions about the political and legal consequences of there having been a UFO cover-up, e.g. sanctions or amnesties for those who were part of the conspiracy, depending upon the reasons for the cover-up. But what if there is no cover-up? What if 2024 genuinely is the first time that anyone in government and the scientific community learns that we’re not alone? What then?

 Let’s take this as our start point: in 2024 the SKA detects a signal. What next? SETI has a document on this, revised on September 30, 2010, entitled “Declaration of Principles Concerning the Conduct of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence”. Essentially, it states that if a candidate signal is detected, there should be proper verification, followed by a public announcement. It concludes by stating “In the case of the confirmed detection of a signal, signatories to this declaration will not respond without first seeking guidance and consent of a broadly representative international body, such as the United Nations”

 There are three problems with this. Firstly, it’s not a legally binding document. Secondly, it largely omits the role of governments. Thirdly, it’s a classic example of what the military would call a plan that wouldn’t survive contact with the enemy – what I mean by this last point is that word would almost certainly leak out within hours, if not minutes, whatever the aspirations.

 What are the practical issues and questions? Firstly, is the signal a beacon or a message? A beacon (e.g. a string of prime numbers) is simply an attention-getter that tells us there’s a civilization out there. But if it’s a message, is it decipherable? If it isn’t, do people really think governments would want it put out there, without first knowing what it says? What if it’s an ‘Encyclopedia Galactica’ that includes information on energy sources that – if misused – could create a bomb capable of destroying the Earth?

 The next question is, if it’s a message, should we reply? In other words, is it wise to announce our existence and location to other civilizations that may be more technologically advanced than us? What if they have hostile intentions and what if they’ve found a way around the light speed barrier and have developed viable interstellar travel? Many scientists have expressed doubts over the wisdom of replying to an alien message. Professor Stephen Hawking summarized these fears by saying that first contact between humanity and aliens could be like the European explorers meeting the Native Americans - only this time, we’re the Native Americans. For the same reason, some scientists oppose radio astronomers who actively send messages into space, trying to attract the attention of other civilizations.

 Suppose we do decide to reply. Who replies and what would they say? In other words, who, if anybody, truly speaks for Planet Earth - surely not a politician or a religious leader, representative of only certain sections of the human race? What about the Secretary General of the United Nations? It sounds good on paper, but ask yourself when you last read a UN declaration and whether it had any practical, beneficial effect. And ask yourself if you really want a bureaucrat speaking for humanity.

 Finally, what would we say? A simple greeting, along the lines of the one sent onboard the Voyager 1 spacecraft, which was signed by the then Secretary General of the UN and read, in part, “I send greetings on behalf of the people of our planet.  We step out of our solar system into the universe seeking only peace and friendship”.

 The chances are, in reality, that lots of political and religious leaders, and a whole bunch of other people, would want their say, and that there would be a mad scramble for transmitters capable of sending such a signal. So there would doubtless be a confusing jumble of contradictory messages. It might be untidy, but perhaps it’s the best and most accurate reflection of the human race, with all our diversity!

 But ask yourself this: if the decision was yours, what would you say?

 Nick Pope is a former employee of the UK Ministry of Defense. From 1991 to 1994 he ran the British Government's UFO project and has recently been involved in a five-year program to declassify and release the entire archive of these UFO files. Nick Pope held a number of other fascinating posts in the course of his 21-year government career, which culminated in his serving as an acting Deputy Director in the Directorate of Defense Security. He now works as a broadcaster and journalist, covering subjects including space, fringe science, defense and intelligence.